California Supreme Court Hearing on Proposition 8

Opponents of Proposition 8 will appear before the state Supreme Court today to request that Proposition 8 be overturned. Watch it live at or at one of the viewing parties in San Francisco, LA and West Hollywood.

It’s my hope that the court will agree with the arguments made for why Proposition 8 is unconstitutional, though I don’t expect the challenges to stop until it has gone all the way to the United States Supreme Court.

One step at a time. I’ll be watching.

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No on Proposition 8: Preserve Religious Freedoms

I’m sure the title of this post will have many churchgoers aghast, but I am deadly serious about it. Proposition 8 does far more harm to churches than it does any other institution, including marriage.

Despite the fact that this proposition made it to the ballot via petitions circulated among churches and heavily sponsored by the conservative church movements in this state (including the Mormon church), the truth of the matter is that the one single institution with the most to lose is the church itself.

In purely legal terms, marriage is a contract entered into by two parties. By applying for and receiving a marriage license and going through either a civil or church ceremony, that contract is sealed. Right now, churches have the absolute right to define the terms under which their clergy will perform a marriage ceremony.

But if Proposition 8 passes, Pandora’s box is flung open, as the barrier between church and state is shattered. Here is what Proposition 8 does: It sends a state mandate to churches telling them exactly what criteria they may consider in order to administer marriage. It clearly dictates doctrine on the question of marriage to the church.

Forget everything you’ve seen on TV; forget the red herring arguments (lies) about teaching children about gay marriage in second grade. Stand back and consider Proposition 8 from a distance.

Here is the authority the church will cede to the state if Proposition 8 passes:

  • Who it can marry
  • Who it can ordain
  • Who may attend church-sponsored schools and what those schools must teach
  • How tithes and offerings are spent

Don’t cluck your teeth and assume I’m the prophet of doom here. I’m not. If churches open the door for the state to dictate doctrine, churches also open the door for the state to dictate to them.

Think about that. As Steveaudio says:

In other words, the wall protects both sides. Did you forget that? Water flows both ways, and so does power. If you think you can control the Government, the Government can control you and your churches.

Oh, and in case you’re reading this and see the words I’ve written as those of a typical California liberal (which I am), let me share the thoughts of some Republicans who oppose Proposition 8:

Whether you are Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, Christian, Muslim, Jew, or atheist, Proposition 8 is bad for people, for religion, and for the state. Don’t let a narrow-minded bunch of homophobes knock down the wall between church and state.

Just vote no.

And visit Consider a donation. To protect your church’s right to make it’s own decisions, because that is really the bottom line.

(though I believe it’s also a mean-spirited and stupid idea to ban anyone from marrying…that’s my opinion. FACT is that churches put way too much at risk with this proposition)