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		<title>Diplomacy or Death?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[
That&#8217;s the fundamental choice we all have in the general election.  If anyone still believes that John McCain&#8217;s inner hawk isn&#8217;t dangerous, his statements today should remove all doubt.
I. George W. Bush equates diplomacy and appeasement in a cheap effort to smear Barack Obama abroad.
Of course, diplomacy is not the same as appeasement at [...]]]></description>
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<div style=""><img style="float: left; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-right: 10px; width: 263px; height: 243px;" src="http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hawk.jpg" />That&#8217;s the fundamental choice we all have in the general election.  If anyone still believes that John McCain&#8217;s inner hawk isn&#8217;t dangerous, his statements today should remove all doubt.<br />
<br style="font-weight: bold;" /><span style="font-weight: bold;">I. </span><a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121083798995894943.html">George W. Bush equates diplomacy and appeasement</a><span style="font-weight: bold;"> in a cheap effort to smear Barack Obama abroad.</span></p>
<p>Of course, diplomacy is not the same as appeasement at all, no matter how hard the gaseous and despicable George W. Bush may twist it. Literacy matters.  Bush must have been the child left behind. Here are some definitions, for clarity&#8217;s sake:</p>
<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">diplomacy</span>: n.<span style="font-style: italic;">The art or practice of conducting international relations, as in negotiating alliances, treaties, and agreements.</span></div>
<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">appeasement:</span> n.<span style="font-style: italic;">The policy of granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace.</span>
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<p>The distinction in that last definition is worth highlighting.  In order for there to be appeasement, there <span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;">must first be peace</span></span>.  Appeasement is the act of offering concessions to <span style="font-weight: bold;">maintain peace</span>. </p>
<p>Diplomacy, on the other hand, has no such restriction. Diplomacy is the art of intercession and negotiation.  It can be  a trade agreement or a peace agreement.  It is not conditioned upon military victory, economic performance, or anything other than two parties coming together to negotiate a mutually satisfactory agreement.</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/15/lieberman-bush-appeasers/">Joe Lieberman</a>, George W. Bush, and John McCain  forgot to check their dictionaries before going off half-cocked today. It shouldn&#8217;t surprise anyone that Bush is illiterate, but it&#8217;s a pity that it has infected Senators McCain and Lieberman with an infection as rapid as the rise of the SARS virus.<br />
<br style="font-weight: bold;" /><span style="font-weight: bold;">II. What they said:</span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;"><br />
George W. Bush</span></p>
<blockquote><p>Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: &#8220;Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.&#8221; <span style="font-weight: bold;">We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement</span>, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">McCain <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/mccain-agrees-with-bushs-remarks/">takes it one step further</a>:</span></p>
<blockquote><p>
“Yes, <span style="font-weight: bold;">there have been appeasers in the past</span>, and the president is exactly right, and one of them is Neville Chamberlain,&#8217;’ Mr. McCain told reporters on his campaign bus after a speech in Columbus, Ohio. “<span style="font-weight: bold;">I believe that it’s not an accident that our hostages came home from Iran when President Reagan was president of the United States.</span> He didn’t sit down in a negotiation with the religious extremists in Iran, he made it very clear that those hostages were coming home.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-style: italic;">(Note to John McCain: The hostage release was not anything that Reagan did or didn&#8217;t do. The hostages were released about an hour after Reagan&#8217;s inauguration, and was timed to humilate Carter, mostly because Carter would not engage in any form of discussion with them, choosing instead to launch a failed rescue operation and then ignore them.)</span></p>
<p>Finally, the <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/15/lieberman-bush-appeasers/">pile-on</a> by Joe &#8220;hawk-boy&#8221; Lieberman:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-weight: bold;">President Bush got it exactly right today</span> when he warned about the threat of Iran and its terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah. <span style="font-weight: bold;">It is imperative that we reject the flawed and naïve thinking that denies or dismisses the words of extremists and terrorists</span> when they shout “Death to America” and “Death to Israel,” and that holds that — if only we were to sit down and negotiate with these killers — they would cease to threaten us.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because somehow, words become terrorism and war and diplomacy is appeasement.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">III.  John McCain was for diplomacy before he was against it.</span></p>
<p>Two years ago, when interviewed by James P Rubin, Senator McCain said <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503306.html">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I asked: &#8220;Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?&#8221;</p>
<p>McCain answered: &#8220;<span style="font-weight: bold;">They&#8217;re [Hamas] the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another,</span> and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice<span style="font-weight: bold;">, so . . . but it&#8217;s a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.</span>&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>During a follow-up conference call with bloggers, he added the following embellishment:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a reference to Obama&#8217;s declared willingness to meet with the leader of Iran, McCain said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think [it] is an unacceptable position, and shows that Senator Obama does not have the knowledge, the experience, the background to make the kind of judgments that are necessary to preserve this nation&#8217;s security.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet, I could find no references to McCain&#8217;s objection to <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=3642673&amp;page=1">Iran President Ahmadinejad&#8217;s</a> visit to the US last year, nor any objection to Ahmadinejad&#8217;s visit to Columbia University during that same visit. Not one press release. Not one public speech. Nothing.  Was that visit not &#8220;talking&#8221;?  Why isn&#8217;t Columbia held to the same standard?</p>
<p>Those are rhetorical questions, of course. The fact is that there was no political capital to be gained by giving attention to it.  President Bush and presumptive Republican nominee John McCain are for democracy until they&#8217;re against it.  In other words, they&#8217;re for democracy as long as the elected party is one they agree with.  The Palestinians elected their government, which includes Hamas. It&#8217;s democratic, like it or not.  The Iranians elected Ahmadinejad in a democratic election, like it or not.  John McCain and George Bush do not get to pick and choose the democracies they like.  Well, maybe they do, but it exposes the sock puppet argument about the conflict in Iraq being about making Iraq into a democracy. They&#8217;ll be for Iraq as long as they agree with the leadership, just like they were for Pakistan until the recent elections put people they don&#8217;t like into power.  </p>
<p>The fundamental conflict here is not about appeasement. It is about how Republicans pervert ideas like diplomacy into appeasement. It&#8217;s about how they make democratic processes into wars.  </p>
<p>Refresh your palate with a bit of Joe Biden, straight out of a Senate session and<a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0508/Biden_Bushs_comments_were_bullshit.html"> outraged at Bush&#8217;s illiteracy</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
“This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset &#8230; and make this kind of ridiculous statement.”</p></blockquote>
<p>and this:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Biden noted that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have both suggested that the United States ought to find a way to talk more with its enemies.</p>
<p>&#8220;If he thinks this is appeasement, is he going to come back and fire his own cabinet?” Biden asked. “Is he going to fire Condi Rice?”</p></blockquote>
<p>As a final thought point, consider John McCain&#8217;s surrogate Joe Lieberman&#8217;s statement yesterday with regard to <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/14/lieberman-bennett-bomb-iran/">his feelings on bombing Iran</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>    BENNETT: Listen, I give her credit. She has found her…three things. She’s found her voice. He is very much in the background now, it’s not this, you know, ventriloquial thing, it’s definitely her voice.</p>
<p>    LIEBERMAN: That’s true.</p>
<p>    BENNETT: And Joe, you know, this is my style. This is a girl who puts on her pearls, goes down, throws down a shot of liquor and bombs Iran, you know. This is…lookout Mrs. Bennett, this is my kind of girl.</p>
<p>    LIEBERMAN: Hehehe, it does have an appeal to it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Diplomacy = Progress toward peace. Why doesn&#8217;t John McCain want peace? </p>
<p>Food for thought.</p>
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		<title>Well, Maybe We Were Overconfident</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Walter C. Uhler, Huffington Post:

Perhaps that explains why, during &#8220;a little-noticed exchange&#8221; [Ibid] at the 27 February 2007 session of the Senate Armed Services Committee, an official from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence seized the opportunity to publicly soften earlier intelligence findings about North Korea&#8217;s uranium enrichment program. &#8220;We still have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>From <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walter-c-uhler/a-pig-looking-at-a-watch_b_42425.html">Walter C. Uhler, Huffington Post</a>:</p>
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Perhaps that explains why, during &#8220;a little-noticed exchange&#8221; [Ibid] at the 27 February 2007 session of the Senate Armed Services Committee, an official from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence seized the opportunity to publicly soften earlier intelligence findings about North Korea&#8217;s uranium enrichment program. &#8220;We still have confidence that the program is in existence&#8221; but now &#8220;at the mid-confidence level.&#8221; [Ibid]</p>
<p>Yet, it was during that very same session that the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, boldly asserted: &#8220;Although Iran claims its program is focused on producing commercial electric power, DIA assesses with high confidence Iran remains determined to develop nuclear weapons.&#8221; ["Current and Projected National Security Threats to the United States," 27 February 2007, p. 14]</p></blockquote>
<p>Read that carefully and remember how confident the Bush Administration was that North Korea was actively enriching uranium in an effort to develop nuclear weapons.   Now it&#8217;s Iran, despite the projection by experts that even if Iran WERE developing nukes, they are nowhere near the goal, according to expert testimony of the hawks claiming that Iran is out there readying nukes:</p>
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And when Senator Hillary Clinton asked McConnell, &#8220;What is the best estimate of the U.S. intelligence community for how long it would take for Iran to develop nuclear weapons and a capacity to deliver them?&#8221; McConnell replied, &#8220;The earliest they could produce a nuclear weapon would be early next decade, more likely mid-next decade.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thus, while Americans might take comfort in knowing that there&#8217;s plenty of time for diplomacy with Iran, they should be disturbed to find nothing in the prepared testimony presented by either General Maples or Director McConnell &#8211; and certainly nothing contained in their answers to the questions asked by the members of the Senate Armed Services Committee &#8211; that could be considered hard or direct evidence that substantiates the assessment that &#8220;Iran remains determined to develop nuclear weapons.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The projection of &#8220;mid-next decade&#8221; supports the research that <a href="http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/01/is-the-iran-nuclear-threat-real-or-invented/">I wrote about last month</a>.</p>
<p>Consider this:  We are now going to have inspectors on the ground in North Korea.  It is likely that with some diplomacy and clear-headedness there is a way to a much saner solution than yet another war &#8212; this time, against Iran.  There are times for quick action and times to use more creative and gentler methods.  During the past six years, I&#8217;ve seen plenty of opportunity for the latter and no reason for the former.  Let&#8217;s force Bush to break precedent and back off from his sabre-rattling with Iran.</p>
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