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	<title>Bang the Drum &#187; delegates</title>
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		<title>10 Delegates to Go; Thank You, Maxine!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barack Obama needs 10 more delegates to hit the magic number for the nomination!
AND, Maxine Waters switched her endorsement from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama.  Thank you, Maxine. This Californian appreciates the gesture toward party unity.
Chicago, IL – Today, Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) endorsed Barack Obama for President. Waters switched her endorsement from Clinton [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>Barack Obama needs 10 more delegates to hit the magic number for the nomination!</p>
<p>AND, Maxine Waters switched her endorsement from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama.  Thank you, Maxine. This Californian appreciates the gesture toward party unity.</p>
<blockquote><p>Chicago, IL – Today, Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) endorsed Barack Obama for President. Waters switched her endorsement from Clinton to Obama citing his ability to unite the country and leadership on issues such as the housing crisis and war in Iraq.     </p>
<p>    Throughout this primary election, I have witnessed two extraordinary candidates champion the concerns that matter most to the American people. As an outspoken advocate on issues critical to women and children, I have great admiration for Senator Clinton and know first-hand her commitment to our country. </p>
<p>    However, our nation is at crossroads. Now is the time for us to unite so that real change is possible in November. Today, I am endorsing Senator Barack Obama because I firmly believe that he embodies the judgment and conviction necessary to bring about change that will make a difference in the lives of all Americans.</p>
<p>    On issue after issue, from ending the disastrous war in Iraq, to addressing the housing crisis to making healthcare affordable for every working family, Barack Obama offers bold leadership that will put our nation back on the right path after the eight years of failed policies of George W. Bush.     </p>
<p>    That is the choice we face in November, and that is why I am supporting Barack Obama for President. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>Memo to Lanny Davis</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The answer to your question about fighting over 4 delegates is this: It wasn&#8217;t just 4 delegates. It  was an effort to claim the MI popular vote as all yours, with none to Obama.  It was counter-Clinton spin.
But you knew that.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>The answer to your question about fighting over <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/memo-to-obama-campaign-wh_b_104566.html">4 delegates</a> is this: It wasn&#8217;t just 4 delegates. It  was an effort to claim the MI popular vote as all yours, with none to Obama.  It was counter-Clinton spin.</p>
<p>But you knew that.</p>
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		<title>Voter Disenfranchisement, Texas Style?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a shout-out to all Clinton supporters, particularly those who understand the issues around seating the Florida and Michigan delegates. I sincerely need you to educate me.  
I found thistonight, via Daily Kos:
    It was a localized version of the Michigan/Florida debate in Grand Prairie today and once again, Hillary [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>This is a shout-out to all Clinton supporters, particularly those who understand the issues around seating the Florida and Michigan delegates. I sincerely need you to educate me.  </p>
<p>I found <a href="http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/05/local-democrat.html">this</a>tonight, via <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/29/22624/7358/589/525218">Daily Kos</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>    It was a localized version of the Michigan/Florida debate in Grand Prairie today and once again, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama supporters were at odds.</p>
<p>    Local Clinton supporters advocated Thursday for unseating ALL of the Democratic delegates from Collin County because their senate district conventions were held on the wrong day.</p>
<p>    Officials with the Collin County Democratic Party said they chose to hold the convention a day late because there wasn&#8217;t a large enough venue in the county available for the scheduled date of Saturday, March 29. Party officials warned at the time that the eligibility of their delegation may be challenged.</p></blockquote>
<p>Collin County is <a href="http://momocrats.typepad.com/momocrats">MOMocrat</a> Jenn&#8217;s territory.  There was a lot of confusion leading up to that convention because they changed the day.  Unfortunately, there was no choice.  Faced with an unprecedented number of supporters, the choice of venue was limited, and accessible facilities were nowhere to be found on the actual scheduled day of the convention, forcing a <a href="http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com?s=collin+county">reschedule to the following day</a> in order to secure accessible facilities.  The change was reported widely in local papers,it was posted on the Texas Democratic party website, and calls were made.  There was an extensive discussion on Twitter about it with JavaJenn and other Texas delegates because of the concern that a challenge would be made or that it was an effort to confuse delegates so they wouldn&#8217;t show up on the correct day, but all concerns were laid to rest when it was <b>made clear on the official state Democratic Party website</b> that the change in venue was necessary in order to prevent any delegates from being unable to participate and/or attend because of the need for accessible facilities.</p>
<p>The convention lasted until the wee hours of the following morning because Clinton supporters challenged the credentials of every single delegate on the spot, and results were not reported out until well into the next day. </p>
<p>And now, THIS?</p>
<p>Clinton supporters, I am fighting to suppress my snark here.  On the one hand, you have Senator Clinton out there fighting for &#8220;all votes to be counted&#8221;, while there&#8217;s a simultaneous effort to smack down voters in another state who didn&#8217;t vote for her?  And worse yet, that challenge was brought by someone who wasn&#8217;t a resident of Collin County!  Fortunately that small detail caused the challenge to be <a href="http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/05/challenge-to-co.htm">denied</a>.</p>
<p>Seriously. Can any Clinton supporter tell me why they would be trying to disenfranchise Texas voters for voting on the wrong day at the very same time that they are fighting against voter disenfranchisement in Florida and Michigan for voting on the wrong day?  Can anyone who supports Senator Clinton explain how this reconciles into &#8220;all votes must be counted&#8221;?   Here is a statement by one of her supporters, Vijay Pothukanuri:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you follow rules it clearly states <b>Collin county&#8217;s in violation</b> of [electing their delegates on the wrong day]. we want to be sure to participate. We don&#8217;t want to disenfranchise any voters but at same time we want to make sure those who followed rules, both parties, on either side want them treated properly.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Could I word this statement a bit differently and get the same result?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If you follow rules it clearly states<b> Michigan and Florida are in violation</b> of [holding their election on the wrong day]. We don&#8217;t want to disenfranchise any voters, but at the same time we want to make sure <b>those who followed rules, both parties, on either side, want them treated properly.</b>&#8220;</i></p>
<p>I am truly at a loss on this.  For now, I&#8217;m withholding judgment and hope that someone can help me understand how to reconcile what is happening in Texas with the Michigan/Florida dispute.  My comments are open. Can someone from <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/30/clinton-rally-organizers_n_104240.html">WomenCount PAC</a> take a break from planning their Saturday Washington DC rallies intended to call attention to the possibility of voter disenfranchisement please help me understand this?  </p>
<p>I do not want to assume that the motive here is winning by:</p>
<ul>
<li> disenfranchising voters in lost caucuses</li>
<li>&#8230;While enfranchising voters in won primary states, including one&#8230;</li>
<li>&#8230;where over 40% of the voters voted against Senator Clinton</li>
<li>&#8230;but will be disenfranchised under the Clinton campaign proposal to&#8230;</li>
<li>&#8230;fully seat delegates, and then&#8230;</li>
<li>&#8230;claim popular vote victory by disenfranchising that 40% minority</li>
</ul>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to assume that, so please help me understand.  Because this issue really IS bigger than who gets the nomination. In the spirit of Senator Clinton, I remind that the issue raises the spectre of the 2000 election, the civil rights movement, women&#8217;s suffrage, and every principle that we, as Democrats, hold at the core of our beliefs.</p>
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		<title>An Alternative Solution to FL and MI?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seat the delegations, but move them to the end of the roll call to prevent any last-minute machinations on the convention floor.
I&#8217;m more or less convinced that if Clinton doesn&#8217;t get her way with the rules committee on Sunday, she&#8217;ll will take the battle to the convention, and the meeting of the Credentials committee.  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>Seat the delegations, but move them to the end of the roll call to prevent any last-minute machinations on the convention floor.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more or less convinced that if Clinton doesn&#8217;t get her way with the rules committee on Sunday, she&#8217;ll will take the battle to the convention, and the meeting of the <a href="http://demconvention.com/dnc-elects-standing-committee-leadership-for-2008-democratic-national-convention/">Credentials committee</a>.  So seat them so she doesn&#8217;t get to resurrect the &#8220;your vote doesn&#8217;t count&#8221; argument for three months, but change the roll call order to bring their vote in after all of the other states who didn&#8217;t break the rules.</p>
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		<title>Florida and Michigan Analysis Done Right</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Required reading.  After researching the issue myself and getting ready to write about it for one last time, I found this post by poblano on Daily Kos, which has so excellently set out all of the arguments for how the Michigan and Florida delegates could (and should) be seated, that I abandoned mine and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>Required reading.  After researching the issue myself and getting ready to write about it for one last time, I found this post by <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/27/0491/33233/381/523392">poblano on Daily Kos</a>, which has so excellently set out all of the arguments for how the Michigan and Florida delegates could (and should) be seated, that I abandoned mine and encourage you to read this one, start to finish.</p>
<p>Rules Committee, are you listening? Because this is the right way to do it.</p>
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		<title>Memo to the Mainstream</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[To: Mainstream Media Outlets, including the NY Times, Washington Post, Cable Networks and Broadcast News
From:  An Informed Democrat
Re: Your addiction to misinformation, horseracing, and misplaced hope
Please be advised that this metric is worthless.
There is only ONE METRIC that matters when it comes to the nomination for the Democratic Party.
Read this carefully.  The only [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p><b>To</b>: Mainstream Media Outlets, including the NY Times, Washington Post, Cable Networks and Broadcast News</p>
<p><b>From: </b> An Informed Democrat</p>
<p><b>Re:</b> Your addiction to misinformation, horseracing, and misplaced hope</p>
<p>Please be advised that <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/24/AR2008052401885_pf.html">this metric</a> is worthless.</p>
<p>There is only ONE METRIC that matters when it comes to the nomination for the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>Read this carefully.  The only metric for measurement is this:  <a href="http://www.demconvention.com/delegate-allocation">DELEGATES</a>.</p>
<p>Let me repeat this one more time:  It&#8217;s delegates. Delegates. DELEGATES.</p>
<p>Not popular vote.  NOT. POPULAR. VOTE.  </p>
<p>Got it?  Good. Then quit writing articles that make that metric seem legit, when it is not.  Quit trying to make it seem like the nomination is being ripped away unfairly from Hillary Clinton.  Because it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s about winning delegates in every state, not just the &#8216;big states&#8217;.  If you need some brushing-up on the rules, the DNC has graciously laid it out in a format that high-school students everywhere understand and could articulate better than you hacks.  Try taking a course in <a href="http://www.demconvention.com/convention-101/">Convention 101</a>.</p>
<p>Thankyouverymuch.</p>
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		<title>Pugnacious Hillary Clinton</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the picture that keeps coming into my mind whenever I hear about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s self-proclaimed battle for the Michigan/Florida delegates.  A Google search on the combined terms &#8220;hillary pugnacious&#8221; yields over 35,700 results, so I guess I&#8217;m in good company.  
What she&#8217;s doing now is worse than pugnacious. How is it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><div style=''><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/drumsnwhistles/384474547/" title="The Princess Pug by drumsnwhistles, on Flickr"><img style="float: left; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/384474547_ccb404196c_m.jpg" alt="The Princess Pug" height="240" width="237" /></a>This is the picture that keeps coming into my mind whenever I hear about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s self-proclaimed battle for the Michigan/Florida delegates.  A Google search on the combined terms &#8220;<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+pugnacious">hillary pugnacious</a>&#8221; yields over 35,700 results, so I guess I&#8217;m in good company.  </p>
<p>What she&#8217;s doing now is worse than pugnacious. How is it that we try to teach our kids to tell the truth and treat others the way we want to be treated, and then turn on cable news so that we can be treated to snippets like this:<br />
<blockquote>The men and women who knew their Constitutional right to vote meant little when poll taxes and literacy tests, violence, and intimidation made it impossible to exercise their right, so they marched and protested, faced dogs and tear gas, knelt down on that bridge in Selma to pray and were beaten within an inch of their lives.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, Hillary Clinton is now equating herself with abolitionists, suffragettes, and civil rights leaders.  The woman who made an agreement with regard to the Michigan and Florida delegations, yet l<span style="font-style: italic;">eft her name on the ballot</span> in Michigan when the other leading candidates removed theirs, now has the unmitigated gall to stand before voters in these states and claim equality with abolitionists and civil rights leaders?  </p>
<p>While she gives lofty speeches about the foundation of democracy, she is <span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;">willing to exclude</span> <span style="font-style: italic;"><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229213">237,762</a></span> <span style="font-style: italic;">voters</span></span> who chose to vote &#8220;uncommitted&#8221; in Michigan, and countless others who demonstrated their uncommittedness by not casting a ballot at all.</p>
<p>In Florida, many Democrats simply stayed home.  I know this because I had conversations with friends in Florida where I encouraged them to go vote because I&#8217;d heard rumors there would be efforts to seat their delegations later. (These voters, by the way, were Hillary voters).</p>
<p>Yet, in her arrogant, pugnacious, incredibly dishonest fashion, she stands before the Florida voters and dares to compare the self-created problems of the Florida and Michigan delegations to the <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/21/politics/fromtheroad/entry4116567.shtml"><span style="font-weight: bold;">recent debacle in Zimbabwe</span></a>?</p>
<p>Further, she suggests that because there has been no resolution to the question of seating those delegations, the Democrats are hurt because &#8220;We have allowed ours to go on&#8221; while the Republicans wrapped their primaries up early.</p>
<p>EXCUSE ME?  WHO has &#8220;allowed&#8221; the Democrats to go on? WHO stood before the Kentucky voters <span style="font-style: italic;">just last night</span> and said she was in it until the end?  WHO has dug herself deeper and deeper into debt, and is now digging deeper and deeper into division, claiming that EVERY VOTE HAS TO BE COUNTED?</p>
<p>To be clear here, the only way that Hillary Clinton gets to her specious claim that she&#8217;s ahead in the popular vote (despite Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s reiteration that the currency of the realm at the DNCC is delegates and only delegates) is to exclude the caucus states and <span style="font-weight: bold;">credit ZERO VOTES</span> in Michigan to Barack Obama.  </p>
<p>Let me summarize the arguments that have spilled from Hillary and Bill Clinton&#8217;s lying mouths about these delegates and I&#8217;ll leave it to you to decide if these are representative of someone who purports to call themselves a Democrat, if they&#8217;re representative of a LEADER, if they&#8217;re intended to serve voters or serve Hillary, if they&#8217;re worthy of giving her even ONE IOTA of credibility within the party.  I have my opinion.  Let&#8217;s hear yours, after the highlights:</p>
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<li>&#8220;It&#8217;s clear this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2188985/">Link</a></li>
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<li>&#8220;And we believe the DNC&#8217;s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3134">Link</a></li>
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<li>&#8220;More people voted for me.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/hrc_more_people.html">Link</a></li>
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<li>&#8220;If we were under the Republican system, which is more like the Electoral College, she&#8217;d have a 300-delegate lead here,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I mean, Senator McCain is already the nominee because they chose a system to produce that result, and we don&#8217;t have a nominee here, because the Democrats chose a system that prevents that result.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/21/bill_clinton_defends_hillarys.html">Link</a></li>
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<li>The people of Michigan must be counted and their voices finally heard. What the people of Michigan need now is just action, not just words. &#8211; <a href="http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6768">Link</a></li>
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<li>&#8220;I&#8217;m more electable&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/hillary-says-shes-more-electab.php">Link</a></li>
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<li>&#8220;I&#8217;ll exercise the nuclear option&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/04/clinton-camp-considering_n_100051.html">Link</a></li>
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<p>There are many more, but these are representative of the talking points.  I&#8217;ve listed other examples of similar comments <a href="http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/04/clinton-spin-evolution-in-review/">here</a>.</p>
<p>Is this REALLY leadership?  </div>
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