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		<title>By: Nomore_Blind_Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomore_Blind_Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prop 8. never made much sense to me and it still doesnt.  Why would it be hurtful if two homosexuals who love each other marry?? &quot;theyll teach my 5 year old in school agians his will!&quot; says the man in the podium, but I didnt learn about how homosexual sex worked until my junior year of highs school.  Other than religious points of views, prop 8 is just another form of oppression VERY similar to the beginning of Nazi Final Solution. next well take away their right to vote, then well take to &quot;government sanctioned camping utilities&quot;, then the chambers, then wonder why, why did so many people die, and the best answer we could give was &quot;they were attracted to something different, therefore they had to die, GOD willed it.&quot;  then wonder years later &quot;could we have stopped it?&quot;  I&#039;ve been hearing the answer a lot lately, so i&#039;ll put it bluntly &quot;yes we can&quot;.  we just have to try</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prop 8. never made much sense to me and it still doesnt.  Why would it be hurtful if two homosexuals who love each other marry?? &#8220;theyll teach my 5 year old in school agians his will!&#8221; says the man in the podium, but I didnt learn about how homosexual sex worked until my junior year of highs school.  Other than religious points of views, prop 8 is just another form of oppression VERY similar to the beginning of Nazi Final Solution. next well take away their right to vote, then well take to &#8220;government sanctioned camping utilities&#8221;, then the chambers, then wonder why, why did so many people die, and the best answer we could give was &#8220;they were attracted to something different, therefore they had to die, GOD willed it.&#8221;  then wonder years later &#8220;could we have stopped it?&#8221;  I&#39;ve been hearing the answer a lot lately, so i&#39;ll put it bluntly &#8220;yes we can&#8221;.  we just have to try</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately there is a vast amount of ignorance in the universe..it was inspirational to read your well written, compassionate perspective. It is truly sad to hear our youth so blindly believing in hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately there is a vast amount of ignorance in the universe..it was inspirational to read your well written, compassionate perspective. It is truly sad to hear our youth so blindly believing in hate.</p>
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		<title>By: los anjalis &#187; &#8220;Don&#8217;t let them have this too&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>los anjalis &#187; &#8220;Don&#8217;t let them have this too&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] observing a Yes on 8 event in Camarillo, CA. The whole post is quite insightful and moving - check it out. Some excerpts [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] observing a Yes on 8 event in Camarillo, CA. The whole post is quite insightful and moving &#8211; check it out. Some excerpts [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it really doesn&#039;t cross state lines, particularly when you cite an&lt;br&gt;out-of-state case as a reason for California to discriminate based on a&lt;br&gt;state with different laws.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In California it is mandatory that parents be given the option to decline&lt;br&gt;health education for their children. Failure to do so would be a huge&lt;br&gt;disaster.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You out-of-staters are using California as your test case, so you can take&lt;br&gt;it to the other states. I&#039;m not stupid, we know that.  But even if you do&lt;br&gt;succeed, and I pray you don&#039;t, the Supreme Court will recognize it for the&lt;br&gt;discrimination that it is. If they even decide to hear it after the 9th&lt;br&gt;circuit strikes it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it really doesn&#39;t cross state lines, particularly when you cite an<br />out-of-state case as a reason for California to discriminate based on a<br />state with different laws.</p>
<p>In California it is mandatory that parents be given the option to decline<br />health education for their children. Failure to do so would be a huge<br />disaster.</p>
<p>You out-of-staters are using California as your test case, so you can take<br />it to the other states. I&#39;m not stupid, we know that.  But even if you do<br />succeed, and I pray you don&#39;t, the Supreme Court will recognize it for the<br />discrimination that it is. If they even decide to hear it after the 9th<br />circuit strikes it down.</p>
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		<title>By: dolphyngyrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dolphyngyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, really? Oh, wait, I&#039;m sorry. This story happened in Massachusetts. I know this may be hard for you to believe, but California and Massachusetts are actually different states, and, as such, have different laws governing the education of children. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Didn&#039;t you wonder how school in California has been in session for over two months, now, while gay marriage has been legal, and nobody could find a similar story in California? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or did you just not think it through that far?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, really? Oh, wait, I&#39;m sorry. This story happened in Massachusetts. I know this may be hard for you to believe, but California and Massachusetts are actually different states, and, as such, have different laws governing the education of children. </p>
<p>Didn&#39;t you wonder how school in California has been in session for over two months, now, while gay marriage has been legal, and nobody could find a similar story in California? </p>
<p>Or did you just not think it through that far?</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think that would be true, but surprisingly, you&#039;d be wrong. &quot;The Parker Family: They were told the homosexual relationship discussion in kindergarten was “not a parental issue.” The school handcuffed the father who stood his ground and refused to leave until he was given the opportunity to opt-out his son from the homosexuality curriculum being taught – in kindergarten! Obviously, they refused to respect his parental wishes. Video: &lt;a href=&quot;http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1815825713&quot;&gt;http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpi...&lt;/a&gt; &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think that would be true, but surprisingly, you&#39;d be wrong. &#8220;The Parker Family: They were told the homosexual relationship discussion in kindergarten was “not a parental issue.” The school handcuffed the father who stood his ground and refused to leave until he was given the opportunity to opt-out his son from the homosexuality curriculum being taught – in kindergarten! Obviously, they refused to respect his parental wishes. Video: <a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1815825713"></a><a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpi.." rel="nofollow">http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpi..</a>. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil unions vary by state, and California civil union laws should be changed to allow all the rights of a spouse if they do not already.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not wish someone&#039;s alternative lifestyle -- be it gay, swinging, what have you -- in my face or my children&#039;s. It&#039;s that simple. And I demand the right to be free from that. As I have shown, many times in many places of this great country, that right has been knocked away. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would also remind you that there is another group of people who would be outraged at a reference directed toward them as &quot;you people.&quot; Guess you&#039;re not that pc after all, and none of this is funny.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am extremely disappointed in the lack of reasoning and the arguing in circles that I encounter. I am strengthened by the amazing good that has come from this: Christian groups have seen how much they have in common instead of what they haven&#039;t. There has been a coming together that is so uplifting and so inspirational. It crosses state lines and religious affiliations. I am honored and humbled to be a part of that. It feels like Christmas, and I hope it lasts for a long time. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is my last post. Thank you everyone for reading. I hope I connected with you in some way and that you&#039;ll read this essay &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.cox.net/mamaof4/index.shtml&quot;&gt;http://members.cox.net/mamaof4/index.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil unions vary by state, and California civil union laws should be changed to allow all the rights of a spouse if they do not already.</p>
<p>I do not wish someone&#39;s alternative lifestyle &#8212; be it gay, swinging, what have you &#8212; in my face or my children&#39;s. It&#39;s that simple. And I demand the right to be free from that. As I have shown, many times in many places of this great country, that right has been knocked away. </p>
<p>I would also remind you that there is another group of people who would be outraged at a reference directed toward them as &#8220;you people.&#8221; Guess you&#39;re not that pc after all, and none of this is funny.</p>
<p>I am extremely disappointed in the lack of reasoning and the arguing in circles that I encounter. I am strengthened by the amazing good that has come from this: Christian groups have seen how much they have in common instead of what they haven&#39;t. There has been a coming together that is so uplifting and so inspirational. It crosses state lines and religious affiliations. I am honored and humbled to be a part of that. It feels like Christmas, and I hope it lasts for a long time. </p>
<p>This is my last post. Thank you everyone for reading. I hope I connected with you in some way and that you&#39;ll read this essay <a href="http://members.cox.net/mamaof4/index.shtml">http://members.cox.net/mamaof4/index.shtml</a><br />Blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: dolphyngyrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dolphyngyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kindergartners are asked to pledge to not take drugs, even though most of them have no idea what &quot;taking drugs&quot; is, what it means, or what the implications are. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is it so wrong to ask them not to perpetuate hate and discrimination? To open their eyes and  minds that all people are created equally in the eyes of the law and should be treated as such. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for parental rights, get yourself a clue. In the state of California, any parent can choose to opt their child out of any lesson that the parent objects to. It is the parents&#039; right to do so. I&#039;m sorry if paying attention to what your child is learning in school is too much work for you, but the public school system was not created to push your religious beliefs or hate agenda. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, so that we&#039;re clear: California does not have civil unions for homosexuals. It has registered domestic partnerships, which are NOT the same as a legal marriage nor are they equal in rights and protections, under the law. But since you&#039;re so convinced that it&#039;s the same thing as a legal marriage, maybe what we should do is end legal marriage entirely, and everyone can have a registered domestic partnership. Then we&#039;ll all be equals and gay folk won&#039;t be soiling your precious institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindergartners are asked to pledge to not take drugs, even though most of them have no idea what &#8220;taking drugs&#8221; is, what it means, or what the implications are. </p>
<p>Why is it so wrong to ask them not to perpetuate hate and discrimination? To open their eyes and  minds that all people are created equally in the eyes of the law and should be treated as such. </p>
<p>As for parental rights, get yourself a clue. In the state of California, any parent can choose to opt their child out of any lesson that the parent objects to. It is the parents&#39; right to do so. I&#39;m sorry if paying attention to what your child is learning in school is too much work for you, but the public school system was not created to push your religious beliefs or hate agenda. </p>
<p>Also, so that we&#39;re clear: California does not have civil unions for homosexuals. It has registered domestic partnerships, which are NOT the same as a legal marriage nor are they equal in rights and protections, under the law. But since you&#39;re so convinced that it&#39;s the same thing as a legal marriage, maybe what we should do is end legal marriage entirely, and everyone can have a registered domestic partnership. Then we&#39;ll all be equals and gay folk won&#39;t be soiling your precious institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Seanieb64</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seanieb64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that children deserve parents, but not a mom and a dad, it has been irrevalent to me, My dad was pretty much gone while I grew up, from infancy to my current age, I met him a few times at 12, but he still was uninterested in me. He was more interested in his booze.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think I have been happier, aside from one sad day a year, and a few days where the gap shows through, but from the few experiences I&#039;ve had, I think I&#039;m happier with being raised by my mother, MY mom also knows how it feels to grow up without a father. but was more affected. My grandfather, was kill din Vietnam in the 60&#039;s, a very celebrated fighter pilot, we have a box of medals of his honors. His body was never recovered, and they never got an opportunity for true closure. Every child deserves the right to succeed, and if that means not having a mommy and daddy like you say is &quot;normal&quot; than I must not have my rights, because my good-for-nothing father gives me no sympathy for your argument.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have an uncle, form my Moms side who is gay, and he was deeply affected as a teenager with my Grandfathers death. He fell into a spiral of tough times, and soon came out of the closet. Speed up 15 years, and him and his partner have been together, for 15 years, and they still haven&#039;t gotten married. He has not been able to get a new job, due to descriminatrion. He is a normal, healthy, hard working successful person, and he deserves as much the right as the mommy and daddy kids deserve to live in the way you think they should, as my relative should be able to marry.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No on Proposition 8, in California, Keep rights for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I think that children deserve parents, but not a mom and a dad, it has been irrevalent to me, My dad was pretty much gone while I grew up, from infancy to my current age, I met him a few times at 12, but he still was uninterested in me. He was more interested in his booze.</p>
<p>I think I have been happier, aside from one sad day a year, and a few days where the gap shows through, but from the few experiences I&#39;ve had, I think I&#39;m happier with being raised by my mother, MY mom also knows how it feels to grow up without a father. but was more affected. My grandfather, was kill din Vietnam in the 60&#39;s, a very celebrated fighter pilot, we have a box of medals of his honors. His body was never recovered, and they never got an opportunity for true closure. Every child deserves the right to succeed, and if that means not having a mommy and daddy like you say is &#8220;normal&#8221; than I must not have my rights, because my good-for-nothing father gives me no sympathy for your argument.</p>
<p>I have an uncle, form my Moms side who is gay, and he was deeply affected as a teenager with my Grandfathers death. He fell into a spiral of tough times, and soon came out of the closet. Speed up 15 years, and him and his partner have been together, for 15 years, and they still haven&#39;t gotten married. He has not been able to get a new job, due to descriminatrion. He is a normal, healthy, hard working successful person, and he deserves as much the right as the mommy and daddy kids deserve to live in the way you think they should, as my relative should be able to marry.</p>
<p>No on Proposition 8, in California, Keep rights for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: badgermama</title>
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		<dc:creator>badgermama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful post! Thank you! I wish I had talked to more of them and written down what they said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful post! Thank you! I wish I had talked to more of them and written down what they said.</p>
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