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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/05/david-gergen-speaks-truth-denounce-racist-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5304</link>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanstaafl,

It&#039;s one thing to say birds of a feather flock together, and another to oppress the other birds because they look different.

Whites have oppressed blacks for centuries. That blacks would push back on that is unsurprising. 

As a white person, I don&#039;t view applause for calling out racism for what it is spewing anti-white hate.  I do think it&#039;s high time that all of us, black and white and brown and any other color, start figuring out that it&#039;s in our best interests to look beyond race to other, more important issues.  That is as true for whites as it is Hispanics, Asians, blacks, etc.

Since I&#039;m the owner of this particular blog, I will say what I want here, just as I&#039;ve given you a forum to express an opposite view.  Not only is your characterization of what I said erroneous, it&#039;s intended to bully me and it&#039;s not going to work.

And with that, I think we&#039;ve all had an opportunity to say what needs to be said, so comments will now close on this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanstaafl,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to say birds of a feather flock together, and another to oppress the other birds because they look different.</p>
<p>Whites have oppressed blacks for centuries. That blacks would push back on that is unsurprising. </p>
<p>As a white person, I don&#8217;t view applause for calling out racism for what it is spewing anti-white hate.  I do think it&#8217;s high time that all of us, black and white and brown and any other color, start figuring out that it&#8217;s in our best interests to look beyond race to other, more important issues.  That is as true for whites as it is Hispanics, Asians, blacks, etc.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m the owner of this particular blog, I will say what I want here, just as I&#8217;ve given you a forum to express an opposite view.  Not only is your characterization of what I said erroneous, it&#8217;s intended to bully me and it&#8217;s not going to work.</p>
<p>And with that, I think we&#8217;ve all had an opportunity to say what needs to be said, so comments will now close on this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/05/david-gergen-speaks-truth-denounce-racist-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-5303</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now that, as you say Karoli, race has become an issue in the campaign, you accept that it affects the way blacks vote without denouncing them, but Whites who behave similarly you denounce as &quot;racist&quot;. It&#039;s an double standard.

Clearly race is an issue. It long predates Clinton. It is both primal and universal. &quot;Racism&quot; is the attempt to pathologize Whites for having perfectly natural human instincts to favor their own - which ironically they express in far weaker form than can easily be found amongst blacks, jews, latinos or asians. But you seem not at all interested in that.

Stop spewing anti-White hate. Is that coherent enough for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now that, as you say Karoli, race has become an issue in the campaign, you accept that it affects the way blacks vote without denouncing them, but Whites who behave similarly you denounce as &#8220;racist&#8221;. It&#8217;s an double standard.</p>
<p>Clearly race is an issue. It long predates Clinton. It is both primal and universal. &#8220;Racism&#8221; is the attempt to pathologize Whites for having perfectly natural human instincts to favor their own &#8211; which ironically they express in far weaker form than can easily be found amongst blacks, jews, latinos or asians. But you seem not at all interested in that.</p>
<p>Stop spewing anti-White hate. Is that coherent enough for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danielj,

You&#039;re hardly coherent.  If you look at the polls as we progressed through the primary process, the shift for blacks factoring in race to their vote happened after the Clintons made Obama&#039;s race an issue in the campaign.  Also, the polls have consistently indicated a higher percentage of whites voting based on race than blacks.  

Your comment about blacks &#039;not being able to recruit...&#039; speaks volumes.  As if they were PERMITTED to recruit when they HAD NO VOTE.  

Does anyone not see through Daniel?  He comes and tosses around big words that he doesn&#039;t fully understand while baring his racism wantonly in the statements preceding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danielj,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re hardly coherent.  If you look at the polls as we progressed through the primary process, the shift for blacks factoring in race to their vote happened after the Clintons made Obama&#8217;s race an issue in the campaign.  Also, the polls have consistently indicated a higher percentage of whites voting based on race than blacks.  </p>
<p>Your comment about blacks &#8216;not being able to recruit&#8230;&#8217; speaks volumes.  As if they were PERMITTED to recruit when they HAD NO VOTE.  </p>
<p>Does anyone not see through Daniel?  He comes and tosses around big words that he doesn&#8217;t fully understand while baring his racism wantonly in the statements preceding.</p>
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		<title>By: danielj</title>
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		<dc:creator>danielj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 03:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Mr. Obama&#039;s Reverend and Mr. Obama&#039;s wife are not racist!

Only White people are capable of racism.

Does anybody not see through Karoli?

Karoli how many Blacks were polled and asked if race was a factor in the election? What does that mean? I would vote for a Black man who had the best interests of Whites at heart! 

Kevin, you are right that it is disgraceful that Black people could not recruit a decent and legitimate candidate from amongst their ranks for over two hundred years!

Candy, will Barrack get rid of NAFTA? Is he simply a Black Pat Buchannan? An economic nationalist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Mr. Obama&#8217;s Reverend and Mr. Obama&#8217;s wife are not racist!</p>
<p>Only White people are capable of racism.</p>
<p>Does anybody not see through Karoli?</p>
<p>Karoli how many Blacks were polled and asked if race was a factor in the election? What does that mean? I would vote for a Black man who had the best interests of Whites at heart! </p>
<p>Kevin, you are right that it is disgraceful that Black people could not recruit a decent and legitimate candidate from amongst their ranks for over two hundred years!</p>
<p>Candy, will Barrack get rid of NAFTA? Is he simply a Black Pat Buchannan? An economic nationalist?</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 01:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neonpinklime,

You have affirmed the exact point upon which we disagree.  This is not a point we will ever agree upon; however, I appreciate the civil discussion, at least, for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neonpinklime,</p>
<p>You have affirmed the exact point upon which we disagree.  This is not a point we will ever agree upon; however, I appreciate the civil discussion, at least, for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: neonpinklime</title>
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		<dc:creator>neonpinklime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 00:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karoli,

According to you, &quot;The second phrase standing on its own doesn&#039;t imply much of anything until it&#039;s combined with the first phrase, which clearly then distinguishes hard-working people as white.&quot;

That&#039;s what it says explicitly. That whites are hard-working. I agree. What&#039;s racist about that? It seems to me calling whites rednecks is hateful and racist. Calling them hard-working is a compliment. 

And combining the two phrases, &quot;hard-working people...hard working white people&quot; still means she&#039;s singling out white people as hard-working. That&#039;s a good thing.

One often hears the praise of illegal aliens that &quot;they&#039;re so hard-working.&quot; Using your logic, that&#039;s racist. Calling browns, blacks, or orientals hard-working isn&#039;t racist. Calling whites hard-working isn&#039;t either, unless you&#039;re racist against whites.

You&#039;re the person who needs to &quot;live in reality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karoli,</p>
<p>According to you, &#8220;The second phrase standing on its own doesn&#8217;t imply much of anything until it&#8217;s combined with the first phrase, which clearly then distinguishes hard-working people as white.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what it says explicitly. That whites are hard-working. I agree. What&#8217;s racist about that? It seems to me calling whites rednecks is hateful and racist. Calling them hard-working is a compliment. </p>
<p>And combining the two phrases, &#8220;hard-working people&#8230;hard working white people&#8221; still means she&#8217;s singling out white people as hard-working. That&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>One often hears the praise of illegal aliens that &#8220;they&#8217;re so hard-working.&#8221; Using your logic, that&#8217;s racist. Calling browns, blacks, or orientals hard-working isn&#8217;t racist. Calling whites hard-working isn&#8217;t either, unless you&#8217;re racist against whites.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the person who needs to &#8220;live in reality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neonpinklime,

Why did you edit the statement?  The statement was &quot;hard working people...hard-working white people&quot;.

The second phrase standing on its own doesn&#039;t imply much of anything, until it&#039;s combined with the first phrase, which clearly then distinguishes hard-working people as white.

that&#039;s what&#039;s inherently racist.  Get serious. There&#039;s racism in many cultures around this country. Then there are folks like Flanders there, who sort of ramble on about utopian ideas that no candidate or country will ever achieve because yes...there are oppressed people (white, black, brown and mixtures), there are racists and there are media conglomerates.  Let&#039;s all at least live in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neonpinklime,</p>
<p>Why did you edit the statement?  The statement was &#8220;hard working people&#8230;hard-working white people&#8221;.</p>
<p>The second phrase standing on its own doesn&#8217;t imply much of anything, until it&#8217;s combined with the first phrase, which clearly then distinguishes hard-working people as white.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s what&#8217;s inherently racist.  Get serious. There&#8217;s racism in many cultures around this country. Then there are folks like Flanders there, who sort of ramble on about utopian ideas that no candidate or country will ever achieve because yes&#8230;there are oppressed people (white, black, brown and mixtures), there are racists and there are media conglomerates.  Let&#8217;s all at least live in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: neonpinklime</title>
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		<dc:creator>neonpinklime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 17:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karoli,

It doesn&#039;t imply anything to me. What it explicitly says to me is that there are hard working white people.

Now explain to me what is &quot;inherently racist&quot; in the statement &quot;hard working white people?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karoli,</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t imply anything to me. What it explicitly says to me is that there are hard working white people.</p>
<p>Now explain to me what is &#8220;inherently racist&#8221; in the statement &#8220;hard working white people?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Flanders Fields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flanders Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 08:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The matter which is of the biggest concern seems to be being overlooked, and that is that someone in a forum with a captive audience of millions has an unchallenged platform to engage in the bashing whites and conservatives for their beliefs.  That has become so accepted that it is not even mentioned as a factor. The Marxists in media know that there is no similar outlet for those who disagree, or nationally recognized spokesmen for those whom they bash (because they allow on their media only those of their choice) and that there has not been for more than forty years.

Those &quot;brown lips&quot; who are the Marxist media have consistently promoted the interests of blacks, browns, and other spectrums of the &quot;rainbow&quot; which they aspire to use in order to disarm and destroy traditional America. They are a vanguard and spokemen for the disparate elements of minorities and the divisions of society (much of it their creation) which can be termed most appropriately as anti-American. 

It does no good to argue that it creates discussion among the people and challenges them to do better.  That is the classic thesis/anti-thesis of the leftist dialogue which they promote.  Division and change of any type, guided and led by their exclusive national ability to communicate, is their objective.  They create dialogue because they have the power to do so, and that dialogue consistently challenges American values and the values of the whites who are (or who, at least, once were) the representatives and proponents for American values.  Those values were once for the interests of all races and promoted a better society for all.  Media and leftists would not want that message to prevail because it does not promote their interests.     

The consistent oppression of whites and America by media is plainly led by leftist anti-Americans.  That this is overlooked and so weakly denied in the face of evidence otherwise emboldens the anti-white elements and the loonies among the anti-American &quot;disaffected&quot; groups to mouth about the various ways in which they are &quot;oppressed&quot;.  I think we are sick of hearing all of them.

I would vote for anyone for President who would disband national media and let the people create their own, and who would ban the use of that most objectionable of terms - racist.  Anyone, white or black, who has a legitimate belief of any type can be and will be banged over the head with it.  That is a Marxist creed used to create division.  It is not a descriptive term for any other reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The matter which is of the biggest concern seems to be being overlooked, and that is that someone in a forum with a captive audience of millions has an unchallenged platform to engage in the bashing whites and conservatives for their beliefs.  That has become so accepted that it is not even mentioned as a factor. The Marxists in media know that there is no similar outlet for those who disagree, or nationally recognized spokesmen for those whom they bash (because they allow on their media only those of their choice) and that there has not been for more than forty years.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;brown lips&#8221; who are the Marxist media have consistently promoted the interests of blacks, browns, and other spectrums of the &#8220;rainbow&#8221; which they aspire to use in order to disarm and destroy traditional America. They are a vanguard and spokemen for the disparate elements of minorities and the divisions of society (much of it their creation) which can be termed most appropriately as anti-American. </p>
<p>It does no good to argue that it creates discussion among the people and challenges them to do better.  That is the classic thesis/anti-thesis of the leftist dialogue which they promote.  Division and change of any type, guided and led by their exclusive national ability to communicate, is their objective.  They create dialogue because they have the power to do so, and that dialogue consistently challenges American values and the values of the whites who are (or who, at least, once were) the representatives and proponents for American values.  Those values were once for the interests of all races and promoted a better society for all.  Media and leftists would not want that message to prevail because it does not promote their interests.     </p>
<p>The consistent oppression of whites and America by media is plainly led by leftist anti-Americans.  That this is overlooked and so weakly denied in the face of evidence otherwise emboldens the anti-white elements and the loonies among the anti-American &#8220;disaffected&#8221; groups to mouth about the various ways in which they are &#8220;oppressed&#8221;.  I think we are sick of hearing all of them.</p>
<p>I would vote for anyone for President who would disband national media and let the people create their own, and who would ban the use of that most objectionable of terms &#8211; racist.  Anyone, white or black, who has a legitimate belief of any type can be and will be banged over the head with it.  That is a Marxist creed used to create division.  It is not a descriptive term for any other reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 06:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That she hasn&#039;t resonated with them. That making statements like the one about it taking a President (rather than MLK) to get civil rights legislation passed sent the message that she truly believes in the superiority of her race?  That all the posturing about civil rights was just that -- posturing?

I don&#039;t know, show me where she&#039;s specifically reached out and tried to meet black voters where they are. Knocking back shots of crown royal and talking about shooting out in the wilderness with Daddy isn&#039;t likely to say much to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That she hasn&#8217;t resonated with them. That making statements like the one about it taking a President (rather than MLK) to get civil rights legislation passed sent the message that she truly believes in the superiority of her race?  That all the posturing about civil rights was just that &#8212; posturing?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, show me where she&#8217;s specifically reached out and tried to meet black voters where they are. Knocking back shots of crown royal and talking about shooting out in the wilderness with Daddy isn&#8217;t likely to say much to them.</p>
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