Comments on: Torture: A real reason for bitterness http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/04/torture-a-real-reason-for-bitterness/ rants and ramblings of a political junkie Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:15:40 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Karoli http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/04/torture-a-real-reason-for-bitterness/comment-page-1/#comment-4081 Karoli Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:01:28 +0000 http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/04/torture-a-real-reason-for-bitterness/#comment-4081 Bruce, No argument with your statement about our wrongs not justifying theirs. This is absolutely true. On the other hand, their wrongs do not and should not justify ours. There is no evidence for the efficacy of torture, and prisoners have died at our hands. Prisoners with friends, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, and so on. In Iraq, there is no evidence of any link to 9/11. And the fact is that we destabilized their lives and brought destruction to their country, and yes, I do believe it was for 'oily motives'. Moreover, by asking our soldiers to carry out despicable acts of torture, we are compromising their peace of mind, and possibly even sanity. This is not right, and shouldn't be tolerated, in my opinion. I loathe what was done on 9/11, but that is still not justification for what we are doing now. Bruce,

No argument with your statement about our wrongs not justifying theirs. This is absolutely true.

On the other hand, their wrongs do not and should not justify ours. There is no evidence for the efficacy of torture, and prisoners have died at our hands. Prisoners with friends, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, and so on.

In Iraq, there is no evidence of any link to 9/11. And the fact is that we destabilized their lives and brought destruction to their country, and yes, I do believe it was for ‘oily motives’.

Moreover, by asking our soldiers to carry out despicable acts of torture, we are compromising their peace of mind, and possibly even sanity.

This is not right, and shouldn’t be tolerated, in my opinion.

I loathe what was done on 9/11, but that is still not justification for what we are doing now.

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I must however add to your statements.
While the means are not justified, we can NOT forget some of these operative planned for or directly murdered our friends and family members. Our wrongs do not justify theirs. And while the oily ends may be suspect, our troops are attempting to provide the citizenry with a safe, stable environment to raise their children and live their lives. No more or less than we want, and are fighting for in our electoral process. And while our rhetoric may be derisive the threats, torture and murder of Iraqi’s by their own people is reprehensible.

]]> By: Keith Cash http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/04/torture-a-real-reason-for-bitterness/comment-page-1/#comment-4067 Keith Cash Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:39:51 +0000 http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/04/torture-a-real-reason-for-bitterness/#comment-4067 Very Good Post Karoli; I think your right about the Oil thing. LOL There two ways to fight evil 1. become nothing - then since you are nothing there is nothing else hence no evil. That will not work in the physical evil world. 2. You must know your enemy .... Geneva conventions.. al Qaeda have not use for the Geneva conventions unless sawing off heads while alive in now in the rule books. Become your enemy......being passive will not work here.... Get off the path Defeat the Evil ...when evil is gone and cannot hurt my family, friends, citizens and country... then you jump back on the path....because sometimes turning the other cheek does not make it happen. Cheers Very Good Post Karoli;

I think your right about the Oil thing.

LOL

There two ways to fight evil
1. become nothing – then since you are nothing there is nothing else hence no evil.
That will not work in the physical evil world.

2. You must know your enemy …. Geneva conventions.. al Qaeda have not use for the Geneva conventions unless sawing off heads while alive in now in the rule books.

Become your enemy……being passive will not work here…. Get off the path Defeat the Evil …when evil is gone and cannot hurt my family, friends, citizens and country… then you jump back on the path….because sometimes turning the other cheek does not make it happen.

Cheers

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