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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/03/worms-trojans-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-3793</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah I forgot a couple things:

- David is not an American. With your profound investigative skills, you might find that non-Americans cant make political contributions.
- He is Israeli. Lest this spin your paranoid wheels, he is a long-time member of Peace Now. The post I sent you to describes a film he made with his Palestinian colleague. 
- He is an ardent supporter of Barack Obama (althuogh he cant vote, as he is not an American). I can vote and did, for Obama.
- David is very amused and flattered that you think he is so important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah I forgot a couple things:</p>
<p>- David is not an American. With your profound investigative skills, you might find that non-Americans cant make political contributions.<br />
- He is Israeli. Lest this spin your paranoid wheels, he is a long-time member of Peace Now. The post I sent you to describes a film he made with his Palestinian colleague.<br />
- He is an ardent supporter of Barack Obama (althuogh he cant vote, as he is not an American). I can vote and did, for Obama.<br />
- David is very amused and flattered that you think he is so important.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/03/worms-trojans-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-3766</link>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose,

Sarcasm aside, compare the photo on the blog you linked (which I also saw) with the photo on his most recent resume &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internews.org/dirs/michaelis.shtm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and the David Michaelis blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidmichaelis.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  The contribution dates  dovetail quite nicely with his transition from writer/producer to board member at Link TV,  because he is would now be precluded from making political contributions in the 2008 election cycle by virtue of his service on a 501(c)(3) organization.

The pictures prove they are the same person, and the blog is further proof.

This isn&#039;t new in politics. Surrogates in the media and press do this all the time, and yeah, fellow Democrats do it to fellow Democrats because somehow they can push it all down when it&#039;s said and done and kiss and make up. 

You are right -- a little investigation and Google work comes in handy.  I did mine, and at this point I&#039;d say the one who should apologize is YOU, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose,</p>
<p>Sarcasm aside, compare the photo on the blog you linked (which I also saw) with the photo on his most recent resume <a href="http://www.internews.org/dirs/michaelis.shtm" rel="nofollow">here</a> and the David Michaelis blog <a href="http://davidmichaelis.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  The contribution dates  dovetail quite nicely with his transition from writer/producer to board member at Link TV,  because he is would now be precluded from making political contributions in the 2008 election cycle by virtue of his service on a 501(c)(3) organization.</p>
<p>The pictures prove they are the same person, and the blog is further proof.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t new in politics. Surrogates in the media and press do this all the time, and yeah, fellow Democrats do it to fellow Democrats because somehow they can push it all down when it&#8217;s said and done and kiss and make up. </p>
<p>You are right &#8212; a little investigation and Google work comes in handy.  I did mine, and at this point I&#8217;d say the one who should apologize is YOU, not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/03/worms-trojans-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-3760</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karoli,

I used the very complicated journalist technique of googling &quot;David Michaelis&quot;, and got this, about the real David Michaelis, on a blog called Intrepid Liberal Journal. This is him, his photo and bio:

http://intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com/2006/06/broadcasting-humanity-interview-with.html

Then I clicked the link YOU provided above, called &quot;hefty contributor&quot; and performed another trick only journalists know about - I SCROLLED DOWN the page, and found the contribution details. These may or may not be one person who moved from DC to NY, but not our David of SF; as a self-described self-employed writer he/them cant work for Link TV. Oh right, maybe he was lying to hide his &quot;hefty contributions&quot; to Clinton, since hes probably really embarrassed that as a democrat, he gave  $8000 over 2 years (and he gave $1000 to Evan Bayh). 

I ask you if it makes sense to conduct sloppy investigations, and jump to paranoid conclusions, not even about McCAIN but about a fellow democrat? I hope anyone who takes you seriously stops reading this blog unless you apologize for the mistakes you have made.

Name &amp; Location	Employer/Occupation  Dollar Amount

Michaelis, David Self/Writer	$2,000 	08/21/2006 PHILL PAC
WASHINGTON, DC 20007	
MICHAELIS, DAVID SELF-EMPLOYED/WRITER $1,000 05/19/2006 	NEW YORK, NY  10024	 	WHITEHOUSE 06 - Democrat
MICHAELIS, DAVID SELF-EMPLOYED/WRITER	$1,000 	03/06/2006 	
NEW YORK, NY 10024	 	WHITEHOUSE 06 - Democrat
MICHAELIS, DAVID SELF-EMPLOYED/WRITER	$1,000 	03/06/2006
NEW YORK, NY 10024	 	WHITEHOUSE 06 - Democrat
MICHAELIS, DAVID T SELF/WRITER	$1,000 	12/27/2005 
NEW YORK, NY 10024	EVAN BAYH COMMITTEE - Democrat
MICHAELIS, DAVID T SELF/WRITER	$1,900 	09/13/2005
WASHINGTON, DC 20007  FRIENDS OF HILLARY - Democrat
MICHAELIS, DAVID T  SELF/WRITER	$2,000 	08/16/2005 	
WASHINGTON, DC 20007	FRIENDS OF HILLARY - Democrat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karoli,</p>
<p>I used the very complicated journalist technique of googling &#8220;David Michaelis&#8221;, and got this, about the real David Michaelis, on a blog called Intrepid Liberal Journal. This is him, his photo and bio:</p>
<p><a href="http://intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com/2006/06/broadcasting-humanity-interview-with.html" rel="nofollow">http://intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com/2006/06/broadcasting-humanity-interview-with.html</a></p>
<p>Then I clicked the link YOU provided above, called &#8220;hefty contributor&#8221; and performed another trick only journalists know about &#8211; I SCROLLED DOWN the page, and found the contribution details. These may or may not be one person who moved from DC to NY, but not our David of SF; as a self-described self-employed writer he/them cant work for Link TV. Oh right, maybe he was lying to hide his &#8220;hefty contributions&#8221; to Clinton, since hes probably really embarrassed that as a democrat, he gave  $8000 over 2 years (and he gave $1000 to Evan Bayh). </p>
<p>I ask you if it makes sense to conduct sloppy investigations, and jump to paranoid conclusions, not even about McCAIN but about a fellow democrat? I hope anyone who takes you seriously stops reading this blog unless you apologize for the mistakes you have made.</p>
<p>Name &amp; Location	Employer/Occupation  Dollar Amount</p>
<p>Michaelis, David Self/Writer	$2,000 	08/21/2006 PHILL PAC<br />
WASHINGTON, DC 20007<br />
MICHAELIS, DAVID SELF-EMPLOYED/WRITER $1,000 05/19/2006 	NEW YORK, NY  10024	 	WHITEHOUSE 06 &#8211; Democrat<br />
MICHAELIS, DAVID SELF-EMPLOYED/WRITER	$1,000 	03/06/2006<br />
NEW YORK, NY 10024	 	WHITEHOUSE 06 &#8211; Democrat<br />
MICHAELIS, DAVID SELF-EMPLOYED/WRITER	$1,000 	03/06/2006<br />
NEW YORK, NY 10024	 	WHITEHOUSE 06 &#8211; Democrat<br />
MICHAELIS, DAVID T SELF/WRITER	$1,000 	12/27/2005<br />
NEW YORK, NY 10024	EVAN BAYH COMMITTEE &#8211; Democrat<br />
MICHAELIS, DAVID T SELF/WRITER	$1,900 	09/13/2005<br />
WASHINGTON, DC 20007  FRIENDS OF HILLARY &#8211; Democrat<br />
MICHAELIS, DAVID T  SELF/WRITER	$2,000 	08/16/2005<br />
WASHINGTON, DC 20007	FRIENDS OF HILLARY &#8211; Democrat</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/03/worms-trojans-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-3739</link>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, the more I dig, the more the road leads back to Clinton. If you can supply a link that shows me wrong I&#039;ll gladly correct what I said.  Haven&#039;t found it yet, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, the more I dig, the more the road leads back to Clinton. If you can supply a link that shows me wrong I&#8217;ll gladly correct what I said.  Haven&#8217;t found it yet, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got it so wrong. First, Link TV is a great channel - browse their programming guide. Friends and supporters (who let their faces be on the Link TV site, asking for support for the channel) include Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover and Dave Mathews - wow, what a bunch of evil anti-Obamaites! Second, I know David Michaelis of link TV. He lives in San Francisco, and the link you provided to David Michaelis, the &quot;hefty contributor&quot; to Clinton, shows TWO DIFFERENT David Michaelis&#039;s, one in DC and one in New York! Wow get yer facts straight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got it so wrong. First, Link TV is a great channel &#8211; browse their programming guide. Friends and supporters (who let their faces be on the Link TV site, asking for support for the channel) include Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover and Dave Mathews &#8211; wow, what a bunch of evil anti-Obamaites! Second, I know David Michaelis of link TV. He lives in San Francisco, and the link you provided to David Michaelis, the &#8220;hefty contributor&#8221; to Clinton, shows TWO DIFFERENT David Michaelis&#8217;s, one in DC and one in New York! Wow get yer facts straight</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/03/worms-trojans-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-3665</link>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did a discussion around smearing candidates end up being a debate over grammar?  I&#039;m a bit of a spelling and grammar nut myself, but not to the extent of caring if someone writes the perfectly composed comment.  How about moving back to the topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did a discussion around smearing candidates end up being a debate over grammar?  I&#8217;m a bit of a spelling and grammar nut myself, but not to the extent of caring if someone writes the perfectly composed comment.  How about moving back to the topic?</p>
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		<title>By: samtheman</title>
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		<dc:creator>samtheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there are lots of things like that... one is, &quot;I could care less,&quot; which doesn&#039;t really make sense; it should be, &quot;I couldn&#039;t care less.&quot; Does anyone really care? Probably not... Of course, there are much greater and vital issues that need the world&#039;s attention, and you&#039;re certainly right that this is not going to change the world... 

But I don&#039;t really consider it a &quot;noise about nothing.&quot; The less people care about grammar and spelling, the poorer we become as a society. The depth of thought needed to create meaningful communication, and the resulting understanding that comes with it, is lost, and much of the expressive power of language continues to be diminished.

This has been going on for decades, of course. As a society, we no longer speak or write very well. What does that say about us, and the abilities we have lost?

So occasionally, I think it&#039;s important for someone to say something, even if it&#039;s considered by some as &quot;noise about nothing.&quot; Some of us, who have been saddened to observe the steady deterioration of our society&#039;s language skills, just don&#039;t feel that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there are lots of things like that&#8230; one is, &#8220;I could care less,&#8221; which doesn&#8217;t really make sense; it should be, &#8220;I couldn&#8217;t care less.&#8221; Does anyone really care? Probably not&#8230; Of course, there are much greater and vital issues that need the world&#8217;s attention, and you&#8217;re certainly right that this is not going to change the world&#8230; </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t really consider it a &#8220;noise about nothing.&#8221; The less people care about grammar and spelling, the poorer we become as a society. The depth of thought needed to create meaningful communication, and the resulting understanding that comes with it, is lost, and much of the expressive power of language continues to be diminished.</p>
<p>This has been going on for decades, of course. As a society, we no longer speak or write very well. What does that say about us, and the abilities we have lost?</p>
<p>So occasionally, I think it&#8217;s important for someone to say something, even if it&#8217;s considered by some as &#8220;noise about nothing.&#8221; Some of us, who have been saddened to observe the steady deterioration of our society&#8217;s language skills, just don&#8217;t feel that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, for heaven&#039;s sake.  What a noise about nothing.  Especially when the media and practically everyone else as a result of bad education carefully say &quot;I&quot; when it should be &quot;me&quot;.  As in, &quot;They gave George and I a dinner.&quot;  You would never say, &quot;They gave I a dinner&quot; but somehow adding another person changes basic grammar.  Not.  Or TV announcers pronouncing Colorado as if all four vowels have the same pronunciation.  Same with Halloween, which is now pronounced with a Latin &quot;a&quot; as in Hollow, although one would never say All Hollows Day. Or, &quot;Like I say,&quot; for god&#039;s sake.  They can&#039;t get anything right, but no one calls them on it, perhaps because they don&#039;t know the difference.  

In today&#039;s world, thought, such minor issues need to be left for later, when maybe humanity won&#039;t survive the decade, when billions go hungry and/or sick, when male violence is amok across the face of the earth and no one even puts a name to it (see: school violence, gun violence, teen violence, marketplace violence, anything in fact except the obvious: male violence).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, for heaven&#8217;s sake.  What a noise about nothing.  Especially when the media and practically everyone else as a result of bad education carefully say &#8220;I&#8221; when it should be &#8220;me&#8221;.  As in, &#8220;They gave George and I a dinner.&#8221;  You would never say, &#8220;They gave I a dinner&#8221; but somehow adding another person changes basic grammar.  Not.  Or TV announcers pronouncing Colorado as if all four vowels have the same pronunciation.  Same with Halloween, which is now pronounced with a Latin &#8220;a&#8221; as in Hollow, although one would never say All Hollows Day. Or, &#8220;Like I say,&#8221; for god&#8217;s sake.  They can&#8217;t get anything right, but no one calls them on it, perhaps because they don&#8217;t know the difference.  </p>
<p>In today&#8217;s world, thought, such minor issues need to be left for later, when maybe humanity won&#8217;t survive the decade, when billions go hungry and/or sick, when male violence is amok across the face of the earth and no one even puts a name to it (see: school violence, gun violence, teen violence, marketplace violence, anything in fact except the obvious: male violence).</p>
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		<title>By: samtheman</title>
		<link>http://politics.drumsnwhistles.com/2008/03/worms-trojans-and-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-3653</link>
		<dc:creator>samtheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Sharpton: What could &quot;would of&quot; possibly mean?

I think it means &quot;would&#039;ve&quot;... which is a contraction of &quot;would have&quot;  (look up &quot;contraction&quot; if you don&#039;t know what that means, you dolt) There is no such phrase as &quot;would of&quot;!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Sharpton: What could &#8220;would of&#8221; possibly mean?</p>
<p>I think it means &#8220;would&#8217;ve&#8221;&#8230; which is a contraction of &#8220;would have&#8221;  (look up &#8220;contraction&#8221; if you don&#8217;t know what that means, you dolt) There is no such phrase as &#8220;would of&#8221;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: samtheman</title>
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		<dc:creator>samtheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Sharpton: What does &quot;would of&quot; mean?

I think it means &quot;would&#039;ve&quot;... which is a contraction of &quot;would have&quot;  (look up &quot;contraction&quot; if you don&#039;t know what that means, you dolt) There is no such phrase as &quot;would of&quot;!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Sharpton: What does &#8220;would of&#8221; mean?</p>
<p>I think it means &#8220;would&#8217;ve&#8221;&#8230; which is a contraction of &#8220;would have&#8221;  (look up &#8220;contraction&#8221; if you don&#8217;t know what that means, you dolt) There is no such phrase as &#8220;would of&#8221;!!!</p>
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